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Covid-19 and storm Isaias are probably not helping.
Starlight wrote:Source of the post Stuart Jason, how are you doing? Has there been any progress with your studio? Covid-19 and storm Isaias are probably not helping.
Soundman2020 wrote:Source of the post Jason, do you have a SketchUp model of your studio? That would make it easier to figure out the issue, and how to solve it.
First, I want to make sure I'm see things the right way: SoulShaker-room-question-1.jpg Is that correct? The LR is over on the right of that photo, beyond the wall, the CR is on the left, the pink insulation and framing visible in the middle is the inner-leaf of the LR wall, and the other wall (closer to the camera, drywall and framing only, no insulation, built inside-out) is the outer leaf of the building itself?
If that's correct, then my next question is: Why is that outer-wall there? Is that a structural (load-bearing) wall that cannot be moved? From the photo, it doesn't seem to be structural. Or at least, there's no framing visible that points to it being load-bearing. So, if it is not load bearing, then wouldn't it just be easier to remove it? That way, your CR could be built in the normal way, and you'd only have two leaves.
Now, if that really is structural and cannot be removed, then probably the best thing to do would be to ignore it: pretend it's not there, and just build your CR in the normal way.
However, the other photo that also has me a bit confused: IMG_3523.jpg If all of that is your outer leaf, and you now want to build your CR within that shell, then all of that drywall on the ceiling and other walls should probably not be there! You should just have bare framing there. Because on the other side of that drywall there is framing (I assume), and on the other side of that framing you must have the outer sheathing of the building and the sub-floor for the room above, so the drywall visible in this photo is going to create a three-leaf system in those directions too, it would seem. Is this because you have no choice but to do three-leaf up there? IS it because you have a ventilated roof up there? The CR is your existing garage, right?
I'm still trying to understand what you are dealing with, so I can suggest how to proceed, so please confirm the above...
- Stuart -
endorka wrote:Source of the post Broadly speaking I think your plan will work well but may benefit from some tweaks. If you want to tackle the bass end, this should be done seriously and with appropriate absorption types and depths. There is some information on this page that might be helpful;
https://www.jochenschulz.me/en/blog/roc ... r-material
Here are the room modes identified by Amroc. There's no capability for a sloping roof so I put 11 feet as an approximation. Therefore take calculated modes involving the height dimension with a pinch of salt. From https://amcoustics.com/tools/amroc?l=27 ... 60=0.2room modes.PNG
First mode is length, 21Hz and is below the pitch of most (all?) musical instruments so probably not a concern.
Next is 30Hz, width, and is getting into the musical range. The low B on a 5 string bass guitar is just a little bit higher than this. The second order width mode will be about 59Hz and is definitely in the useful musical range - kick drum fundamental, normal bass guitar. I don't think your current scheme will do much to address this. If you'd like it to, then consider more deep / low density traps where they'll have an effect. Superchunks in the places marked red would help with width a bit, and also length. Make them big and deep though, with low density insulation. Perhaps a couple at the other end of the room as well. If still required after this, go with deeper dedicated traps on the walls you have marked green instead of gobos.
42Hz is the second length mode. Your deep low density trap marked black will address this well. 24" is a minimum, if you could get deeper still it might be worth it.
51Hz is our guess for height, so take with a pinch of salt. Your cloud will address this well if you choose the absorption material wisely.
If you get these ones sorted enough I reckon you'll be close. The rest will be up to taste.
I don't know much about diffusion, sorry
Soulshaker Studios wrote:Source of the postThanks again. I can go deeper on the main bass trap thats highlighted in Black. It can be 31" Deep which would bring it out flush with the end of the small wall on right near doorway. It can come down 5' from top of ceiling and can span across the whole back wall of room which is 14'.
Do you think behind the low density insulation at the very back of black trap that it could benefit from a 2” layer of high density rigid insulation?
On the ceiling cloud you said choose the absorption material wisely. What do you recommend?
Soulshaker Studios wrote:This is a great idea. I never really thought of it this way but a vaulted ceiling really is somewhat the same as a corner. Closing it in behind where I would have put a cloud makes a lot of sense. Its real estate that I cant really use for anything else anyway. My only concern would be over-deadening the room but I guess I can control that by how much and how deep I go.
I'm almost finished my largest/deepest bass trap that I had highlighted black. I studied the charts in your link but I cant definitively conclude what kind/value insulation I should use in it. The chart only goes 12" deep and my trap is 31" deep.
I've been told that low density fluffy insulation is what i should use but still unsure exactly what product/R value would be best. One adviser told me to fully fill with R-13 without compressing.
REW is what I use and it is excellent. Use a calibrated measurement mic if you can. I use a MiniDSP UMIK-1; https://www.minidsp.com/products/acoustic-measurement/umik-1Do you have an opinion on exactly what I should put in it? Also you recommended doing a room analysis. I've been told REW Room EQ Wizard is a good software to use. Is this what you recommend?
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